Karnic 2050

[betty boop]

Moving this to a specific post for some more advise.

So me N Miss BB have serious (and stupidly) thought about an upgrade.

The Karnic 2050 was prime candidate until last night. With the help of forumite DPB Ive found out the boat is in a terrible state, why do brokers leave them rotting in compounds expecting a sale full of mould and poo. James you have a lot to answer for your fellow colleagues

That filth is hiding what I told is deteriorating gel coat. Being a blue hull it is showing severe fading and what is described as failing bad paint work. The badging has been moved so must have been cut back at some point in an attempt to make good but was described as looking worse than a 1980's Searay. That scuppers my plan of a DIY cut n polish for a few £ off but more seriously is it still worth a silly offer? Theres no way Im paying £13k for a boat to then have it in a spray shop or vinyl stick on's added over the blue. The white is mistreated but not too with the opinion it was used as a fishing boat and badly handled.

On the 2 year old canvas & framing , does anyone have a thought on the radar arch set up that has been added on the stern? at first thought it was a good addition making a nice usable camping space. But on reflection the 2 piece arch surely makes it impractical and a structural liability stuck out on its own at speed. Now I look harder it does spoil the lines of the boat somewhat and needs un attaching then moved to the stern, folded and tied together.

The rest is irrelevant, it still ticks most boxes. Ms BB doesn't want a walk over the roof cuddy and I don't want an inboard. and I still haven't heard a bad thing about Karnic. Have seen a Bayliner Trophy but not so sure on those at the moment, mainly as most are inboard and are way over 2T dry weight.

Thoughts please?

[ColinR]

Karnics are a great solid boat, ask Matt, but if the gel coat has problems then the underlying structure may be an issue. A full survey is essential here I think before handing over any dosh.

My gut feel says walk away I'm afraid.

[mlines]

The main thing about the arch for me would be how rigid it is. If it is swaying and rattling as you go along then it will come across as per quality.

As for the presentation of boats by brokers, it depends on what the seller has agreed to. On most lower cost boats the presentation of the boat is up to the user.

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[Xboatboyx]

why do brokers leave them rotting in compounds expecting a sale full of mould and poo. James you have a lot to answer for your fellow colleagues

Simply because they are just brokering the boat therefore they don't have to clean it unless they offer it as part of the service. All of our brokerage boats get a basic clean every week to keep them looking tidy. Some dealers also make you sign up to a once a month boat valet whilst its on brokerage to help keep the boat looking presentable.

That filth is hiding what I told is deteriorating gel coat. Being a blue hull it is showing severe fading and what is described as failing bad paint work. The badging has been moved so must have been cut back at some point in an attempt to make good but was described as looking worse than a 1980's Searay. That scuppers my plan of a DIY cut n polish for a few £ off but more seriously is it still worth a silly offer? Theres no way Im paying £13k for a boat to then have it in a spray shop or vinyl stick on's added over the blue. The white is mistreated but not too with the opinion it was used as a fishing boat and badly handled. ?

I have seen some very bad examples of sun faded blue boats and it will require a lot of work cutting it back. Sometimes they just won't come back to original so having the boat wrapped may be a better idea. As for making an offer i would guess you would need to sell betty first? I would look a selling betty now and potentially having no boat for the summer in order to pick up a deal in the Autumn. If the boat has been up for sale for a while then there is no harm in making an offer reflecting on the condition of the boat, although do make sure the broker knows your serious and that they pass on your offer as a lot will decide themselves whether or not its a good offer without passing it on to the seller.

[BruceK]

I would say get it surveyed. However on reflection the cost of a survey if there is no trailer so inclusive of a cost of a lift out makes it a substantial percentage risk of your available capital. I'd certainly go and have a good look at it first before discounting it though. Blue Gel coat is a PITA as commonly attested however a new spray on gel coat wont actually cost that much if you can do it yourself, you'll still be cutting and polishing it after all.
I think the radar arch is a non issue. It can be removed if you really dont like it but as you noted gives some practical advantages.

Boats on the water can look dirty within weeks. Mine turned green over winter, looked like a century of neglect. 10 minutes with a high pressure hose and a bit of spit and polish she looked passably good again. I was against the wall this Tuesday. Another boat was there that looked so run down and broken it was almost embarrassing. At the end of the day it looked like it just needed a new antifoul and some trim touchups. Dont be too hasty on looks.

[Matt13]

HI Ian, as you know we've already had a chat about the Karnic, that one looks a lot older than mine. Not a big fan of that arch on the stern. I sold mine for not a lot more than they are asking and mine was in tip top condition, IMHO defo not worth 13k !

[betty boop]

thanks guys some great advise.

The arch is turning into a take it off if its no good scenario so not so important and it is dividing opinion good and impractical.

The Gelcoat, well I can't figure this one out so will have to walk away until I can see it. it is way over priced anyway. As an example I have an email to a guy in NetherLands on a 2050 same colour/age on EU trailer for £12k tax paid. Yes I can't compare quality but it is a good example on pricing. The survey would be good as it is on a trailer in Poole but I want to see it first as you'd expect and for now the journey south for a 10 min viewing isn't worth it and Im not really in favour of surveys on cheap boats/cars etc but thats a personal thing and up for taking advice if its needed. If the boat is there as I expect it will be in 3 weeks time then I'll see it on my travel south.

Brokers, Im learning again that there must be good ones and bad, when I bought Betty I considered as a novice broker boats but was soon pushed away to a new package. yes I know now they were after new sales not broker commission so it all makes sense. I think his used car salesmen attitude bit didn't help, if they had been bothered then may be my comments would've different. Having discussed the gelcoat again with the agent he fezzed up to it being pants and told me it was a take it or leave scenario.

James, - selling Betty after the sale so buying as a cash buyer. If you see anything let me know. apart from the 2050 Ive been looking at Quick silver Commander WA - nice looking but not sure its too fishing vs weekender. and Ive come across Galeon Galla 620 which Ive never heard of.

That all said I know now why its taken 9 years to upgrade, what a ball ache. Miss BB was all 'just go and buy one' and has had a wake up call to buying boats is not like buying cars. 3 days in I may give up and buy a camper van instead, may be I need some therapy sessions to keep me going

[BruceK]

I know how you feel but if you persevere gems do crop up. And when they do, you pounce. I looked for quite some time for my boat and said to the final broker, that's it, I'm done, when Amanzi rolled into the yard on the back of the truck.

[ColinR]

Once you have sold I would take a step back and think hard about what you want. There is no rush and eventually the ideal boat will pop into view.
It's nice being a cash buyer as you can call the shots.

It just means that this will be the best summer ever for weather and flat seas.

[BruceK]

It just means that this will be the best summer ever for weather and flat seas.

Oh yeah!!!

As Colin says.... no rush